Talking to Cool People w/ Jason Frazell

Samantha Patil - Founder, Well Traveled

August 03, 2022 Season 3 Episode 29
Talking to Cool People w/ Jason Frazell
Samantha Patil - Founder, Well Traveled
Show Notes Transcript

Samantha talks about what led her from working at major consumer brands to starting her own thing in the travel space, how to create more personal experiences and humanity in travel as the world opens up and Sam and Jason talk about the interesting mix of heritages in their family that creates who they are as people.

"If you are ever feeling like overwhelmed or stuck, just do something to take some action."

Sam is the Founder and CEO of Well Traveled, a membership community for modern travelers. Prior to starting Well Traveled, Sam built her career in consumer tech and marketing, where she led go-to-market strategies, international marketing, and member monetization programs at some of the world's biggest consumer brands. Her previous roles include leadership positions at Pandora Media, Snap, and most recently Dollar Shave Club. Sam's been featured in multiple podcasts and shared her expertise across numerous top-tier publications including the Wall Street Journal, Forbes, AdWeek, Travel + Leisure, The Washington Post, Business Insider and New York Magazine. She was featured in Travel Massive's Top 100 Inspiring Women Travel Founders for 2020 and is a proud member of the Female Founder Collective, Dreamers and Doers and All Raise's Visionary Voices.

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Jason Frazell:

Okay, everybody, my guest on the show today, I was just telling her. First of all, we've never met until about 14 minutes ago, which is such a fun experience as a podcast host because sometimes I interview my best friends and sometimes interview people that I'm like, Oh, this person's awesome. And I can't wait to learn. So everything I'm gonna learn about you and we're going to learn about you is real time. And yeah, my guest today, yeah, as Sam Patel, CEO and founder of well traveled, which is a member's club for travel lovers. You're an avid traveler yourself. I am a travel lover. Used to be an avid traveler. We have a one year old, which makes for misery traveling. We will be avid travelers again. I'm just delighted to have you on today. Sam, welcome. Thanks for being on today.

Samantha Patil:

Yeah, I love that. Thank you so much for having me excited to be here.

Jason Frazell:

Yeah, yeah, traveling with a one year old. I don't think there's anybody who can do that. It's just he's at the age where it it's just not fun, because he's not old enough to plop a screen in front of him for three hours. And we live in New York. So we always you know, we're going out west. But he's also old enough that he wants to move the whole time, which is not a good combination for air travel at all.

Samantha Patil:

Yeah, yeah. It is interesting. I feel like the we're seeing more people try to do it. And so it's like, we have a few members actually that have done it. And will people are like, Well, how did you do that? Tell us everything you came on the other side of it. Like, what did you do? Where did you go? What airline did you fly? What toys did you bring? Like, you know? So it's, they get a lot of hits on those posts throughout writing that type of content?

Jason Frazell:

Yeah. Yeah, I can imagine. And how did you also keep your kid from pissing everybody off? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Alright, so let's get to know each other here. So first question is What's something you nerd out about? And I'm just gonna take travel right off the table to start, that's just too easy. So yeah, what's something else you nerd out about?

Samantha Patil:

I really, I mean, so I come from consumer tech. And so I find consumer apps just generally, like really fascinating, especially ones around social and community, just based on sort of how they've evolved and how, like social, like, the idea of a social network has evolved over time. And you know, how we kind of started with like, Facebook, for example. And the whole idea behind social media was like, okay, you know, Sam and Jason, you guys know each other. Therefore, maybe you have similar interests. So we're gonna serve you up content that's really similar to you. And you kind of created this social graph. But now what's happening when you have this, like evolution of the Internet is like, that doesn't really work as well anymore. And so what you've seen is like, tick tock, you asked me what I nerd out about, and I'm just nerding out about it, by the way. So now you have like, tick tock that's come along and said, you know, actually, instead of focusing on your social graph, we're only going to serve you content that's like, hyper relevant to you. In terms of like, how you engage with these videos, what you do, how long you watch it? Do you send it to a friend, do you skip it? And what's really funny now is you're seeing that they're actually bringing the follower page, like your community page, sort of back to the front again, because like, you kind of need both at this point of like, you need a social graph and interest graph. And I just think like, the evolution of this digitally has been fascinating. And then what are the implications for like, in real life? Because I think we're so obsessed with our screens, and that digital world that the real life part? It's so so so important? So like, the metaverse is like, interesting, right? But I'm interested in like, how do you take those digital communities and like, translate them to offline experiences? Because I think people still really, really want that.

Jason Frazell:

Yeah, well, we're going to talk about well traveled at some point that seems to be very aligned with what you do.

Samantha Patil:

Exactly. Right. I can talk about that forever. Because it's like, it's fascinating to me, like just the evolution of the Internet and like, how we kind of communicate within these different frameworks. Like how

Jason Frazell:

Yeah, I was, I was, I was taking a look at your bio, like you worked at. You worked at some consumer app brands, including a, what some people would say is a social brand. I don't know. Do you consider that and you know what I'm talking about? Well, we'll say people looking on LinkedIn. You worked at snap. Yeah. Oh, like, yeah, that I can, then that's a social right because you're sharing? Yeah, interesting.

Samantha Patil:

Yeah, it's a different like They have a very different approach, which I think has definitely, you know, influenced my approach to my own product building. But it's for sure social, it's really about like fostering, like human connection and getting people to like, play and like enjoy the world like with their friends. Yeah, yeah.

Jason Frazell:

Excellent. So let's see Sam, what's something that's inside of your comfort zone that you know other people won't do or dislike doing?

Samantha Patil:

Um, I'm one of those crazy people that likes to run marathons and like half marathons. So I've only done one full marathon. And true to form it was in Paris, which was

Jason Frazell:

pretty awesome. It was awesome

Samantha Patil:

until the last two or three miles which are all on cobblestone, which was just kind of like messed up. But you know, it was I get it like, there's a lot of cobblestone in Paris. But it was pretty incredible. But I do a lot of like half marathons. Just because I don't know I love it. I definitely get that like runner's high. Like I've done one across the bridge at the Nike women's one, and I've done like a few others and I I really love it and I love like, running. I'm like one of those people that loves like, like the working out for me is like pushing yourself to sort of like an exhaustion is such a great like stress reliever. Yeah. And a good day for like mental clarity to Oh, yeah.

Jason Frazell:

Yeah, the endorphins, just more clarity. Do you? So as someone who is an avid traveler, and also a runner? Are you the are you the person who's always has the running shoes and the running gear? Anywhere you go, you're like, going for a run?

Samantha Patil:

Yep, I was in London last week. And I had my running shoes. And I just walked out the door was like, I'm gonna go run and I walked I ran along the river. And it's such a great way to see a new city, like, for everybody, of course, but if you do like running or you're open to it, it's a really fun way to just kind of like cruise around and like get the lay of the land.

Jason Frazell:

Yeah, I heard Yeah. So I heard this on a tour in London a few years ago. And I don't know if did you go to Windsor Castle, or no? Private spoilers,

Samantha Patil:

but I'm from over there. But originally born in the UK and your Yeah. And ascot? Yeah.

Jason Frazell:

Okay. Yeah, according to the tour guide. And I think this is probably true that the reason that the marathon is 26.2 Miles is because the original one for the Olympics was where the eaten, you know, eaten is the boys school. And there's something about that route. And I think it went around Windsor Castle, and there was the point to and miles, somehow equated to the exact route. And that's how it became 26.2 miles because the original is it. This is what I hear. I'm not, you know, like, we can do a fact check. Yeah, I didn't either. And I was like, that's interesting. But they claim that this is a thing because they have a plaque there. It's like the site of the original marathon. It was like, the London Olympics for some time, and it made sense. So you know, anybody who wants to do a fact check on this, so we were just talking about armchair expert, what they what they end the up, they end the show, the host of that is Doc shepherd and his co host they do she calls it the fact check. Yeah. And also they do this on some other podcasts or they're like, so you said this thing. So let's see if that's true or not. And then sometimes it's not true. So I'm not going to fact check myself. And I believe that's correct. But if somebody wants to write in after listening to this be like, you're full of it. I will blame our tour guide. And I blame It's always somebody else's fault. Yeah, it's always if I'm wrong, it's never my blame shift. Yeah, exactly. So Sam, what's, what's the opposite of that for you? So what's something that's just outside of your comfort zone, something you won't do something? It's really scary for, you know, other people are like, Yeah, that's cool. I totally would do that. Or I like doing that.

Samantha Patil:

I mean, so one of the things that's kind of funny about me is I'm actually a very introverted person, but most people don't see that or even believe it because I've gotten very good at being, you know, very outgoing, when I need to be. I don't love it. Like, I don't love like, you know, walking into a room and having to talk to people and like, some people love that. Right? Like, my husband is just you love that. Okay. Yeah, he's a natural extrovert. He loves to talk to everybody. So he's a good sidekick a lot of times, right. But he, he's, he's so good at it too. Right. And so I've taken a lot of like, lessons from him of like, just how to get better at it because it is so important. And I think unfortunately, sometimes, people think that okay, I'm just going to work super hard, be really kind of isolated and just work really hard and I'm going to get to what I want and that I typically have found that to be misleading, I think you need people to support you, and you can't do everything by yourself. So you really, really do have to invest in cultivating a strong network and supporting that network. But it really takes like, I have to kind of, you know, like, amp myself up and be like, Okay, I'm getting out of my comfort zone, I'm going to go to this event and like, usually I'll like, set some kind of like goal, like, Okay, you're gonna talk to like five people that you don't know. And once you kind of get over the fact that like, every most people, they're also kind of uncomfortable, like talking to new people. So once you kind of just get over that, put yourself out there. It's like, what's the worst that can happen? Right? And then, you know, you talk to five people, and I'm talking to 10, you kind of roll with it, and you get in your groove, but it's definitely like, it's for me then like draining, I kind of go back and like, the next night, I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna watch my like, you know, Bridger, 10. And like, nobody. I could like not talk to someone for like, multiple days. And like, I think my husband went away once and I'd had some really intense work week. And he was gone for the weekend on set, like bachelor party or something. And he came back and I was like, I don't think I talked to anyone this weekend. Oh, my God, I think it was just me and the dog the whole weekend, like, looked at me like I was like, insane. I was like, it was so lovely. Like, I felt so energized. And it was funny in COVID. Because during the pandemic, he was like, he was like, I'm going crazy. It's just you and me in the house. There's nobody else and I'm like, I'm going crazy. Because it's you and me in the house. Like all the time. It's never quiet. So good. Yeah, that's, that's outside of my comfort zone. But I do it anyway.

Jason Frazell:

You do it anyway. Yeah, at least you do it. You know, a lot of people what's out their comfort zone, they want to do it you're describing this answer comes up sometimes on the show, and I am the person that that is in my sweet spot, like a room of 100 people I don't know. Or showing up to interview somebody on my podcast, I have like zero, like, it's just like fun for me pure fun. Yeah. And also being in rooms of people is very energizing for me. So and I actually had my friend Caterina on the show a couple months ago now. And she calls herself a super friendly introvert. And she's very friendly. She's very, like light and bubbly. But she's quite introverted. And we did a whole episode on what introverts and extroverts should know about each other. And love that. Yeah. And one of the things she said is like, I can show up just like you can, but I gotta rest afterwards. And I'm like, Yeah, I can. I'm like, I can show up and act the same as you and I need no rest. And it's actually more energizing for me to continue to spend time with you. So how to introverts and extroverts, how do we like how do we actually like set each other's expectations? And Sam, the second thing I'm going to say about this topic is you have once again proven what I believe to be a fact of life that people that get married always have the when are we going home? And do we have to go? Yeah, exactly. You're like, I'm tired. It's, it's PJs and Bridger to time and your husband probably like, one more drink, baby. And you're like, yeah, like every married couple, you can ask that. And somebody's like, I'm that person. And I'm that person. I don't know, many married couples that are both like the people that are out all night or like the total extroverts.

Samantha Patil:

Yeah, probably like taking over the world. I don't know,

Jason Frazell:

like, are annoying. Everybody

Samantha Patil:

are closing down the bar and like, the bars and kicked out? Yeah, maybe

Jason Frazell:

Exactly. Awesome. Alright, so let's talk about like, an important topic to you. And the way I like to frame this question is give you five minutes. So everybody in the world's listening to this podcast, which I wish I'd be doing this podcast from my, like, 100 foot yacht, if everybody in the world is listening. I'm not I'm in my office studio, but it's still great. So give me five minutes. Everybody's listening. Sam, what would you say? What would you give a five minute speech on? And what would you what would be your call to action at the end of that speech?

Samantha Patil:

Hmm. I would probably give and this is potentially self serving them and I say it anyway, I would give a call to action to get outside and spend time with friends family travel, take a walk down the block, like go somewhere in your own neighborhood that's new or different. Go to a new country, just put yourself out there outside of your comfort zone, but just outside of more like your familiarity zone, because I feel like it's really easy for people. There's obviously like the Internet is a complicated place right now. And I think it's really easy for people to feel some sort of intense, like negative emotion towards someone or something if they don't understand them. And part of the reason I do what I do when it comes to travel, it's like I genuinely believe that we would be better off the more people are able to meet and just connect with people that are different from them have like a different perspective from them. Mmm, maybe because people don't really know how to disagree anymore. It's either like, like, I'm right and you're wrong, and therefore I hate you. Like, there's not really an in between. But I think just the more, we can go out and just meet people, like share a meal with them conversation, even a kind gesture, you can just build more empathy for other people and you realize like, we're really all much more alike than we are different.

Jason Frazell:

Yeah. Love that. Yeah, I mean, and that makes a lot of sense why you have such a passion and work in travel, as well. I was, as you were saying that I was thinking about anybody you've ever, anybody I've ever talked to in my life. I've never heard anybody say, Boy, I'm really sorry. I took that trip, or I'm really sorry. I'm really sorry. I went and I have heard people say that, but it's not because they took the trip. It's because the trip went horribly wrong, or like, it's just a bad experience. But yeah, I've never met anybody who that I've ever heard say, like, you know, like going to that other country and learning about a culture was not a good experience for me.

Samantha Patil:

I have not heard that either.

Jason Frazell:

Yeah, I had, I think was last late last year, I had a gentleman named Scott Marshall. He's the CEO of Semester at Sea, the company that runs that program, if you know, Semester at Sea. Yeah. Fascinating. What's cool about that travel experiences is for college students, and you get on a cruise ship, and you go to locations around, the one that they were doing it was an interesting conversation are on COVID, because it still was like a lot of the COVID stuff, vit if you want to talk about safety procedures for COVID. Listen to that episode, like what they had to do to actually sail. But we talked there about just that experience for college students to be able to go to these different places and traveled together and get that experience and not just do it in one place. Like most people travel abroad, like study abroad, and they do it in one location usually. And to get to go to five or six different places around Europe just so amazing. And like the amount of people that do it so that makes a ton of sense. Like that seems very aligned, self serving only in that like you believe in it. i That's what all I heard is you believe you believe in the power of that truth and getting out there. What's, what's a place that you're gonna go next. It's a little outside your comfort zone.

Samantha Patil:

I don't know if it's necessarily outside my comfort zone, but I've never been before, which is to Croatia. Yeah, I love to visit Croatia, I've just heard incredible things. Obviously gorgeous place. And a lot of our travels revolved around like food, like talking to people they should. One of my favorite one of my husband, my favorite things to do when we're traveling. And maybe this is like a travel tip. It's to go chat with the bartenders at restaurants or hotels, because they typically are so plugged in to like the food and nightlife scene and the cities. And they're not like a concierge where there's necessarily any type of incentive for them to give you any kind of recommendation. And if you sit there and chat with them, like most people are, like, kind of rude to like, bartenders and stuff. Like they want their drinks that kind of walk away. But if you sit there like Hey, where are you from? They usually like have really fascinating stories. And we'll give you really great recommendations for things to do. So that's just like something we love doing when we chose

Jason Frazell:

such a good tip. Yeah, you reminded me when we set up this interview, I thought to myself, I'm not letting you off the air with a bunch of great travel tips. Yeah, there's your first one, okay. Not enough to have us not want to do well traveled but enough to be like good, but that is a great travel tip. And my friend Mike he, he worked in the United States, and then him and his wife went down and worked at St. John and he was a bartender at a restaurant in St. John. And he said he like that. And he was so plugged because we would visit them he was so plugged in. He knew like yeah, on this night, this bad place here. This is the thing, this is where you don't want to go. And also because that's such a tourist location that he said there were a lot of really rude people, including a lot of Americans, which is kind of, you know, more than sad, but par for the course. Alright, Sam, we're going to take a very brief commercial break. We'll be right back after this.

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Jason Frazell:

Alright Sam, so What else do you want us to know about you?

Samantha Patil:

Good question. I think travel has been part of my DNA since I was really young. I was really fortunate that my parents travel was a big part of their lives. So I was born in England. And I moved to the US when I was 10 years old. And I don't sound British I sound American. But the thing is, when you move somewhere when you're 10, and you talk funny, and you have like a Spice Girls backpack, and you're just like, you know, Hi, I'm from Great Britain. You're not cool. People just think you're kind of a freak. So I hated my accent. Kids are mean. And I got like, teased a lot. So I would like actively try to get rid of it. And I was successful in that endeavor, because now I sound like I'm from LA, which is where I live now. But you know, as a kid, we traveled all the time, my parents, my mom was a travel agent in her past life, and my dad traveled like three weeks out of the month for work. And so something I was just exposed to when I was really young. And I think, you know, my parents were really intentional, intentional about wanting me my sister, like, feel uncomfortable. And like, know that we weren't the only people that existed in the world, as you tend to do think when you're a little kid, right? Your whole world kind of ends right in front of your face. Yeah. So I really appreciate that. And it's something that I think I'll definitely do with my kids in terms of just kind of forcing them to get out there and get uncomfortable and be in different places and meet new people and things like that.

Jason Frazell:

Yeah. Very cool. Do you miss your accent now?

Samantha Patil:

Yeah, I'd be so much cooler.

Jason Frazell:

I have I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I agree with that. The British accent is one of the greatest things in the planet.

Samantha Patil:

Right? It's so good. I feel like it sounds super smart. And like really put together their accents. Yeah, my sister has her accent and she went back to England for college. So I'm just the odd one out here.

Jason Frazell:

Yeah. Are you so you're a British citizen.

Samantha Patil:

I am a British citizen. I'm also a New Zealand citizen, which is where my mom is from. And then I do have a green card. For the US. My sister is like a secret agent. She was born in the US. So she has three passports? Yeah. Which is pretty unique, I think. Yeah. All with the

Jason Frazell:

same name. Hopefully, one would hope one would hope but you know, oh, maybe not. It depends on what maybe she actually is a secret agent then she's got all sorts of aliases it to the best of my knowledge. But yeah. And then you mentioned that you're married. Sorry. Are you married? What is your husband from?

Samantha Patil:

So interestingly enough, each of our parents are from a different country. So I mentioned my mom's from New Zealand, my dad's from England. His dad is from India, and came to the US when he was 18. And then his mom is from Latvia. And was brought over when she was very young, by her mother.

Jason Frazell:

Yeah, I'm sure you've heard this a lot. But your children are going to have like, they're like, what's your backer and they're like, all four corners. That's amazing. Yeah, we've

Samantha Patil:

got it all covered. Right. It's that is wow. I

Jason Frazell:

don't know that I've ever met anybody who has that direct lineage that spread out. Yeah. In a good way. That's super cool.

Samantha Patil:

Yeah, they're all like, whatever first generation immigrants which is so fast that he and what's funny is they like love each other. They were all literally all just at our house last weekend for my house. Yeah, birthdays this weekend. And I think there is this just like, shared camaraderie about being an immigrant. And yeah, having these different experiences. And like, there's this funny story. My husband, dad tells us, like, he came from India, and so he didn't eat beef. And when he came to the US, like, someone's like, Oh, do you want a hamburger? And he was like, Yeah, great. Like thinking like ham, like pork. And they were like, No, that's beef. And he was like, oh, okay, well, I gotta be beef. Yeah. Because he'd already been, he was like, halfway through. He was Hindu. Yeah. Right. Now, he's kind of you, whatever. He went through his own transition. He was like, 18 at the time. Yeah. And now he does eat whatever he wants, but then he was like, just these cultural things that you'd like have to just learn or figure out coming to a new country. Or Yeah, interesting.

Jason Frazell:

I'm just thinking thing, Sam that what you've ended up doing like it's almost preordained based on your background. Also, marrying somebody would was such a wide, like such a cool wide purview in the world. That this is super cool. I come from the exact opposite like both sides of my family's family have a pre Revolutionary War. Oh, wow. So like, Northern, yeah, Northern European, like, you know, my, my mom likes genealogy. So she did either 23andme or one of the ancestry.com. And we actually tracked it like, both sides were like, We're here before America was was actually a country. So if you'd like, where are you from? I'm like, we're actually American, I think, originally, like Scottish and French, but like, we're talking. Yeah, you know, 400 some years ago. That's so cool.

Samantha Patil:

That's pretty cool, too, though. Yeah. Well, it's

Jason Frazell:

funny credibly, you

Samantha Patil:

can trace it back that far. Yeah, it really

Jason Frazell:

is. And then on my wife's side, my wife doesn't know her father doesn't know anything about her father. And then her mother is first generation Norwegian. So my wife is half Norwegian, and have no idea. Yeah, wow. That's to do a DNA Day type of thing. Very cool. So this is the part of the show where you get to play the host and ask me something. And since they're just getting to know each other, I have no idea what's coming. I had all sorts of things thrown at me. So yeah, what what can I answer for you? And for everybody listening?

Samantha Patil:

I would like to know, what do you like to do for fun?

Jason Frazell:

Podcast and work? I'm being facetious. Well, I do like I actually do like the podcasts are fun. It is. One of the questions I get on the show a lot. And nobody's ever asked me this, by the way, which is such an fun get to know you question. And nobody's ever asked me, What do you like to do for fun? There was some people tried to get really clever and like, try to not like a gotcha. But a lot of people ask me, why don't we do the podcast? And the truth is, is because it's really fun. Good. That's it. That's why I've shared this in the show before. If anybody out there wants to get into podcasting to be like a celebrity, or do it like you have a long road ahead of you. It is a very challenging thing to monetize in any meaningful way. Doesn't mean you can't do it. But if you're not famous already, there's just so many of them. But what do I do for fun? So podcasting, I play guitar. I'm a big NFL person, not like congratulations. I don't know if you're a rams fan.

Samantha Patil:

I am the worst sports fan ever. Because I'm really a sports fan. I know. I'm sorry.

Jason Frazell:

I, I am from Minnesota, and living at a championship since 1991. In any professional sport. So when I meet people that literally are world champions right now, I'm just like, do you understand?

Samantha Patil:

I'm sorry, I'm breaking your heart.

Jason Frazell:

You're breaking my heart. Have you been to cell fi? You know,

Samantha Patil:

I haven't gone yet. I really want to go. It looks amazing. It looks incredible. Like except for

Jason Frazell:

the guy who drowned there last week.

Samantha Patil:

Well, yeah, whatever that like, but I've heard the food and everything is pretty awesome. Yeah. Looks like they've done an amazing job. So I want to go I mean, there's so many venues in LA. We're very lucky. Yeah, for sure. Hollywood Bowl is like another really, really cool place to see a show.

Jason Frazell:

Yeah, so it's gonna say what else do I do for fun? I'm a huge music person I play I play guitar, and I love live music. Amazing.

Samantha Patil:

I love live music as well.

Jason Frazell:

Yeah. What's the last two?

Samantha Patil:

You got there first. last concert I went to was Galantis at the Red Rocks.

Jason Frazell:

Ice, which was I haven't been to Red Rocks.

Samantha Patil:

It's super cool. Even just to see anybody there. It's just an amazing venue. Highly recommend.

Jason Frazell:

Yeah. So I'll, I'll give you the I just show 14 days ago, I saw done company at Bethel woods, which is the original site of Woodstock. In New York, in upstate New York. It's actually where Woodstock took place in 1969 outdoor amphitheater 15,000. So you can imagine a dead end company slash Grateful Dead Outdoor Show. You can imagine the vibe. Yeah, there was no fighting fun. Really fun. Amazing. And they played for about four hours to it's. So that's the last show that was a couple weeks ago. It I'll share with you because we're talking about music and what I like to do for fun. My wife and I and some friends. We're going to Keith Urban in a few weeks in New Jersey. It's an outdoor amphitheater. We like country music, and then the highlight of my summers I'm taking my daughter to the encantado concert.

Samantha Patil:

Whoa, that's gonna be so fun. Yeah, like, have you seen a condo? So good huge like Disney. Pixar people?

Jason Frazell:

Yeah, we are. We are to both because we like it. But also because we have a sixth. Like you don't have a choice with a six year old. It's like it's going to be a thing. Yeah, yeah, they're doing a they're doing a live tour if it's coming to LA but it's like an orchestra tour where the movie and then they play. Oh, yeah, those things are so cool. Yeah, so we're gonna do that's coming to Bethel woods too. And like an August but yeah, I've gotten I've seen a ton of live music. I love live music. I'm gonna go to like Rage Against the Machine in the fall at Madison Square Garden. I want to go to Pearl Jam, but the tickets are out rageous and outrageous, because everybody you know there's too much money. It's like New York and LA there's too much money and there's they haven't been pay someone who pay like five grand to see Pearl Jam and like who cares? Yeah. So huge music person. We are big travelers. Like I mentioned, we have a one year old so we don't travel as much, but we'll get back on we'll get back to traveling soon. And then I'm, you know, I mentioned I love people. So I like, like doing like, like we have a lot of parties and things like that. And then, because I'm getting old, one of my favorite things to do is hang out with our dog. In addition to the family, we have retriever who's just the best,

Samantha Patil:

really of a Labradoodle. And he's the love of our lives. Yeah,

Jason Frazell:

brilliant. Very smart. Yeah. My mother in law has a Labradoodle and my mother in law, so yeah, those are some of the things I do. And then I'm also a huge film person. So I love watching good film.

Samantha Patil:

What's a good movie you saw recently?

Jason Frazell:

Yes, I actually saw black phone last night, which I really liked. really black. Handle it. It's a Blumhouse. So it's, it's kind of horror. It's more of a thriller. But I'll tell you before that, just like most people I know the two best movies I've seen this year and then we're going to take it back to you is obviously Top Gun Maverick is phenomenal.

Samantha Patil:

I saw it twice in theaters. I couldn't find anyone to go with me. It's so good. I didn't do you seen an IMAX? Ah, no, it wasn't an IMAX. But it was really

Jason Frazell:

wanted to. But yeah, movies so good. And then well done. Really incredible film. For those who can stand a lot of like blood and guts is the northmen really good?

Samantha Patil:

Yeah, my husband watched that. I was kind of like, what are you really violent? And just like was like no, unsubscribe. Can't do it. It was like some super violent thing. And I was like, No, it's like Game of Thrones, right? It's like, yeah, I couldn't do that.

Jason Frazell:

But really well done. beautifully shot. The other movie I'll I'll recommend everybody listening is worst person in the world.

Samantha Patil:

Yeah. Okay, so good. Good. Okay. Oh, good. Yeah, it's

Jason Frazell:

Norwegian. It's yeah, Norwegian and it was up for it was up for it was actually up for Best Original Screenplay, I believe in like the normal category at the Oscars this year, not even as foreign film and that it was up for best. Definitely for Best Foreign Film, but it's like kind of a love story. But like really, it's about relationships is really, really clever. Some sad, kind of a comedy. Really good. Okay.

Samantha Patil:

I'm gonna have to check that out. Yeah, I'm gonna do one plug for Elvis. I haven't seen it. It was I mean, it's honestly weird. Like, Austin Butler is just like, it's just gonna like I think put him into like superstardom. Yeah, it's like you're watching Elvis. It's van. I like really knew nothing about Elvis like, again. My parents were British. It's like not as much part of like our culture. But yeah, it was just like, and like, it was a fascinating movie. And yeah, his performance is incredible.

Jason Frazell:

I like baz Lurman. Man. I really like I love Moulin Rouge, and

Samantha Patil:

oh, yeah, he was the perfect person to do this. Yeah,

Jason Frazell:

it's great. I'd like to see it soon. I would was it's on the list. And yeah, I heard he's probably gonna be nominated for an Oscar. Austin bolo. That hurt heard Tom Hanks is like, kind of not good.

Samantha Patil:

He just like you're not even paying attention to him because you're like hypnotized by us. Yeah. It's wild.

Jason Frazell:

That's super cool.

Samantha Patil:

It's cool. It's good money.

Jason Frazell:

What to start up a film podcast and

Samantha Patil:

I could do this all day to

Jason Frazell:

like sports. No film. We're gonna be filming music. Yeah. That's awesome. That's your husband, same Z, like filming music as well.

Samantha Patil:

Yeah, he likes the music. We're like big Marvel geeks. So you go see Marvel movie, which I was like, you know, your luck. Like I feel like not that many wives are like down to watch Marvel movies. Or at least like a lot of my girlfriend's are not into it. And

Jason Frazell:

like my wife is not either. She literally might be the only person in America who hasn't seen endgame nor can she care less.

Samantha Patil:

I don't think any of my friends is gonna either like I'm going to Thor and they're like, What? Why? Yeah, that's awesome.

Jason Frazell:

All right, Sam. So ad lib question here is we're talking about movies bring back to you. Who do you most identify with as a Marvel superhero? Like as your for yourself? Who's your Marvel? Marvel superhero avatar?

Samantha Patil:

I mean, I would love it to be Captain Marvel. Cuz she's amazing.

Jason Frazell:

Save the world.

Samantha Patil:

That seems like the best one to me.

Jason Frazell:

You actually identify with her?

Samantha Patil:

Um, I think though, I mean, I feel like she's like a little bit of like a misfit initially, like underestimated, which like I kind of appreciate that. And then just is like, very determined and like resilient.

Jason Frazell:

And women save the planet. She said, she's like, Oops, sorry. It's nobody's like, Oh, don't ruin it. I'm like, if you haven't seen endgame by now, is I think it's the top grossing box office movie of all time now like, Yeah, forget it. Like, yeah, they the good guys win in the end. That's what? Nice. All right, so Sam, other than let's see travel Marvel music, film your dog. What else are you passionate about?

Samantha Patil:

I am really passionate about aside from all those wonderful things, helping other women, especially female founders. So that's how I've built a lot of my network is just connecting with other women that are doing really cool things, and trying to figure out how I can help them and learn more about what they're doing and get their name out there. Because I just want to see more more women out there building amazing companies, because there's plenty of them doing it.

Jason Frazell:

Yeah, I have a I have another. I have another podcast called talking to tech people. It's I launched it this year, just because again, I love podcasting. Yeah, and I just had a really delightful woman from she's a female founder from the Netherlands. And she I'd actually like to connect the two of you, you'd be interested in her company had a brilliant idea. And they have an app called pika bond. And it's for parents and grandparents to connect with young children. And it's like a, it's an asynchronous message, asynchronous video messaging app, and they give you a curriculum that like grandparents could say like, Hey, today, you can send your kid this thing. And it's really cool. And she and she created it because or she, she's in the Netherlands. And her sister and her two nieces live in Australia. And so that was the problem that they had is like, well, you have FaceTime, you have zoom, and quite frankly, little kids get bored. Yeah, that's a way to actually do it. And the brilliant thing about it is, as you're sending messages to the kids, and the kids look at the video messages, it records your reaction, their reaction. So then the grandparents can see like, oh, this thing is so cool. It's really cute. So really, I bring this up, because I've actually had quite a few female founders on tech founders on that show. And it's, they all say the same thing that like I really want to support more female founders and I, I work with some female founders, and poach some of them at a, both privately but also at a community called round, which is it's a tech community membership community. And we have quite a few female founders joining. So I think there's definitely an uptick in the percentage and at round are really committed to having more diversity occur. One of the core things is diversity in tech, including, including more women. Yeah, I love that. Yeah. Because when you look at around community, and they're like, we need more of this more of that. I won't call it what this and that is I'm like, this looks exactly like it would look like if you went to Mata or snap it's like the same. It's the almost like the same ratio and dynamic. So yeah, very cool. Yeah. Women in Tech, for sure. My Woman My was sharing the My wife is not a founder, but she's a woman in tech. Yeah. Yeah, it's great. What's the thing you're most proud of?

Samantha Patil:

I would say our team, the the team I built at well traveled. They're so awesome. There's seven of us and soon to be eight. And hiring is really hard. Whether you work at a startup, whether you own your own business, whether you're a founder. So finding the right people that are motivated, energized by what you're doing, but also work super hard. And, you know, I typically think that you can teach smart people how to do anything. So I tend to err on the side of like, passion, excitement for the business, and hire from that perspective. But they're just incredible people. We're all we're an all female team at the moment. And they're really just I feel very lucky to be able to work with all of them every day.

Jason Frazell:

Yeah, that's that's but to ask you a question that I asked on the tech podcast with founders and I asked them is ask them. Once you get past the skill of the job, like the technical part of it, right? It's what's the number one thing as a founder that you look for in your next team hire especially this is a good time, right? Because you're past the first two or three people that are just so critical to the success. I mean, everybody's still critical, I'm sure. But you've gotten to the point where if you've got seven people rocking and rolling, you've got the eighth who doesn't work perfectly. You can maybe withstand that versus you got three. Yeah, exactly. Stan, what's the like, what's the number one trait that you're like? This person has asked to have this thing. That's a way they show up at work outside of the technical experience.

Samantha Patil:

I don't know if I could pinpoint one thing. But I would say, being curious, being kind and being driven. Those are somewhat similar, like snap has a similar approach around like, just like being a decent human being, but also being a really curious person. And then yeah, like being really driven to want to help create change, and like, move the company forward. Because, you know, at a startup, that's very much, it's a lot of like, you know, you can take on as much as you want to take on, but there's, like real impact that you can create. And that's like, the cool part about being a startup is you can do something on a Monday, see it go live on Tuesday and see, like a member give you like positive feedback on it, like on a Friday, and you're like, Yeah,

Jason Frazell:

that's so yeah, they're like, they interact with my service, they paid for it and product market fit. And it's working, because they're re upping their subscription, and they're getting a lot of value. Yay. Like, it's so good. What are all is everybody on your team? All big travel people as well? Oh, yeah, kind of requirement? Yeah. Not a requirement. But like, they have a passion for travel,

Samantha Patil:

they do have a passion for travel. And just like the mission of the company. I think for a lot of them, the pain point we're solving was like a personal one for each of them to just because they love travel. So much like most of them have, either had like, you know, 10 years experience in the industry. One of my team members has a tattoo of an airplane, like we are

Jason Frazell:

very senior line person.

Samantha Patil:

She was. She's been in travel for like 10 years, and she's done the agency side, like the travel agency side. Yeah. She's amazing. Or like, they've just been a personally like a big traveler for a long time. And just like kind of the same things that we talked about, right? Like I've seen, like the positive impact it can have for people and want to make that more available for people and like, create some like joy around that, like planning and discovery process.

Jason Frazell:

Yeah. So let's talk. Let's talk now about well traveled, dancing around it a little bit. So you are the founder of Not, not at? Well. Let's talk about what travelled is. So people, people listening, like what what does that mean? So let's start with what's the problem that well traveled solves, because, you know, he started a company based in the prom, and then tell us more about it. Because it's, it's so cool. And I've never heard of anything quite like it.

Samantha Patil:

Yeah, so it was definitely a personal pain point. You know, when I was, in my past life, I was working for different consumer brands and helping them launch their marketing operations internationally. So I was traveling quite a lot. And then personally, it was also traveling a lot. And I just felt like I could never find relevant recommendations or recommendations I could trust from people who I felt like I connected with or shared my consumer experience. And I think a lot of the reason for that is, you can't really like filter your feedback on a lot of these platforms that exists today. They were also designed like 20 years ago, by a bunch of men. And yet women are really the ones that are controlling the purchasing power in this space. I realized there wasn't really anything out there that was tapping into community, which is, like so important when it comes to travel. Because a lot of times you want a recommendation from like a friend or a friend of a friend, there has to be some layer of trust there. Right. So that's kind of what I was seeing is just like erosion of trust across all of these platforms, like, you know, like, I've been to some of like the number one spot on TripAdvisor, and it's usually not good, like, you know, and it's just that everybody has their own personal interests, right. So there's just not a lot of like personalization that comes with these sites. And it was so funny, like, I was on Twitter yesterday, which I hate, but you know, it's like a lot of tech people are on Twitter. And someone had posted, you know, hey, does anybody have recommendations for like coffee shops in San Francisco, and people had just kind of jumped in and started like, peppering all these responses. And then this guy, Chris Messina, he's like a big guy on product launch. And he responds with what do you like? And I was like, yes. The question that you have to ask first, like Yeah, so often is that kind of just completely overlooked? Like, what do you like, like, what do you want? So that's like very much kind of how I was like thinking through all this. I was like, I want to build One thing that really makes this process one like more fun, because it's kind of takes a lot of time to do all this research for travel planning and yeah, just you know, gets you excited for your trip because I've just never felt particularly inspired on TripAdvisor. So that was really kind of the perspective that I was coming at it from and then, you know, there's a lot of masculine energy in that space. And I wanted to design something that was really from a female perspective with that consumer in mind. Like everybody's welcome to join the club, but most of our members are women, actually.

Jason Frazell:

They my wife will probably be a member very shortly. Yeah, great. Yeah. One thing I want to say before we start to wrap up is speaking of England and TripAdvisor I was when I was there on a trip one time i i liked doing bike tours. I hate running, but I liked doing bike tours. I just think it's an awesome way to see cities. Yeah, I found a bike tour. It was great. And it was I think it was the number one bike tour in London and I was talking to the guy who owns a company he's like, if we go to number two on TripAdvisor, our business is dead. Like it's bad. Like we see like a 50% reduction. And then because they had somebody write a bad review and like however that All right, listen, yes, TripAdvisor is great. I actually use TripAdvisor all the time. But I would prefer to get more of some like, like not even a local like, Hey, I I know Sam, I trust Sam, I know that we have similar interests. Yeah. Like, for example, like, hey, what's a cool place to go and run like you can, you know, in some cities, now they have like these running clubs and going like, hey, we'll take your tour. And we'll run like, I'd rather hear that from you than hear from big some big thing. Very cool. We're gonna I'll post a link to well traveled. All the all the good stuff in the show notes. Check it out. Very cool. Very cool. I love it. And I love the community aspect of it. Because travel is so much more fun to the community, like social and community and all those things. I agree. You got time for a couple more quick questions for us. Sure.

Samantha Patil:

Yeah, let's do it.

Jason Frazell:

Cool. What's something you're afraid might be true about you?

Samantha Patil:

Oh, that I'm a workaholic.

Jason Frazell:

Are you afraid that might be true about you? Or you do know that to be true about you?

Samantha Patil:

Probably somewhere in the middle? Yeah, yeah, that's probably pretty close to being true. I do try to like, I have a word of the year and my word of this year is presence. No, I try to be really present with what I'm doing. So if that's, you know, recording this podcast, or like making dinner or, you know, talking to my team, and I try to be like intentional about my time because, you know, otherwise as a founder, like, and I'm like a little introverted, right? I could just like crank all night long. But that actually ends up not being the best use of time. Yeah.

Jason Frazell:

As a fellow dog person, there's nothing. There's no better demonstration of pure presence than when your dog is happy to see you. Because all they are focused on is like, you. Yeah, at least for like five seconds. And then like, there's something else but for like, when you walk in the door, like they're like with you, 100% Yeah, it's all of that. Alright, so Sam, how do you see the world? And this is a little bit of a meta question for somebody who works in travel. So yeah, how do you see the world?

Samantha Patil:

I think I mentioned that a little bit earlier. But ICS is much more alike than we are different. And I think there's a lot more commonality between people than we realized. And just, I caution people about being too focused on their digital life because you'll miss, like your actual life. And so I just hope that I kind of think there is going to be a bit of a snapback actually from this focus on digital and, you know, like, I think there's like a difference between like the metaverse and like AR and the applications of that, because like Metaverse, is sort of its own entity versus AR is actually like, sort of experiencing the world and like a heightened sense. But I just really think that as human beings that we're not really designed to just be sitting indoors on our computers all day. We're like explorers, right? Like, that's what we did. Like, we're designed to go and you know, talk to people and you know, even me, like I think when you go when you landed a new country or a new place or new neighborhood, like it doesn't have to be that extreme. It's can be really energizing. And so that's I think we are more connected than we think that we are and so much of that is in real life connection. It's so so so important.

Jason Frazell:

Yeah. Thanks, Sam. I'm so glad we made this happen. Me too. Thank you so much for being on. Best of luck to you and the team. Not even like you don't need luck. Just keep doing what you're doing. We were catching up before I just want to mention you have an app coming out. So everybody check out the app is going to be out in the next few months. We're going to have a full mobile native mobile experience. Yes, very exciting. Very exciting. Exciting. Alright, Sam, last thing As we wrap up for this time around words of wisdom for us, short and sweet, what do you got for us?

Samantha Patil:

I would say if you're starting something new, or you're feeling like you don't have everything perfect, like don't let perfect get in the way of progress, is something like working in a startup will just slap the perfectionist right out of you. Yeah, like you're ever feeling like overwhelmed or stuck, just do something like take some action. It's a good antidote to feeling, you know, afraid or overwhelmed is to just take some small steps and just do it anyway. Even if you're not ready.

Jason Frazell:

Yeah, a wrap of this. I feel like either you've had good executive coaching, or you could be one because that is a lot of times all clients need is, what's the very next thing you're going to do? Yeah, the very next thing, no matter what, and this actually applies anywhere in life, right, like, yeah, no matter what you're up to. Well, thing again, Sam, thank you so much for being on. I really appreciate it. And best of luck with everything.

Samantha Patil:

Thank you. This is awesome. Thanks for having me. Thanks, Sam.

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